It was antecedently probable that the striking words of the Angel's salutation would be adopted by the faithful as soon as personal devotion to the Mother of God manifested itself in the Church. This is because the Catholic and Anglican Churches have some different beliefs. :rotfl:Thanks for sortin me out and as I laughed, Alan…few indeed can!I am exactly the same on the first point Alan! Praised thou among women, and praised the fruit of thy womb, because it was the Saviour of our souls that thou borest. This was in part because the decision on whether Mary was regarded as Christ-bearer or God-bearer would determine whether Christian doctrine recognized a distinction between Christ’s human and divine natures or held that they were the same. While the difference may seem like splitting hairs today, it was a source of strife in the church. [quote=Flopfoot]I am exactly the same on the first point Alan! The Hail Mary prayer has evolved several times over the course of history, but there are still variations of the prayer today. Yes, when I’m supposed to be praying I’m bracing myself to hear random “ST” sounds around the room after “among.”Second, I swear Mary must have a womb named Jesus by the way I hear them say, “blessed is the fruit of THY WOMB JESUS.”Gosh, if they’d actually observe the comma and say, “blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus,” as if Jesus was the fruit and not the NAME of the womb, it’s be more convincing that the words they utter actually mean anything.Perhaps for meditative prayer the meanings of the words themselves are unimportant. When I grew up, my family mostly made quick pointy motions and my mom said, “Fa, suh, ho speartamen” and so with my family I still feel awkward actually saying out longhand or something, “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” It seems, compared to my upbringing, to be an endless thing to say – funny five seconds can feel like an hour when I am embarrassed.I hate embarrassment. [quote=AlanFromWichita]Thank you for the information. and in praying the Hail Mary hearing the ST part probably correct ‘among’ to the incorrect ‘amongst’ and so it starts to catch on. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. All the evidence suggests that it took its rise from certain versicles and responsories occurring in the Little Office or Cursus of the Blessed Virgin which just at that time was coming into favour among the monastic orders. - And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women (see Judges 5:24).The words which clothed the thoughts in these ecstatic expressions of intense joy and thankfulness on the part of the two favored women, Mary and Elisabeth, are in great measure drawn from hymn and song contained in the Old Testament Scriptures. One of these events is how Mary came to be with Joseph. Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you. Newer version: Hail Mary, full of grace. If not, would anybody please consider doing so?First, is this “amongst” women. By the wisdom granted you by the Son; Hail Mary, full of grace. The Hail Mary (Latin: Ave Maria) ... and "Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." 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[quote=AlanFromWichita]Does anyone else share the pet peeves I have about saying the Hail Mary in groups? Traditional version: Hail Mary, full of grace.

If they are, maybe we’d be better off just chanting Latin than trying to name the parts of our blessed mother’s anatomy.Actually I do have a theory about it; in music there is a little known secret to the “irresistable beat” where shorter notes are “owned” by the longer one following. In 1508, “Holy Mary, pray for us sinners” was added with “now and at the hour of our death” being used by some traditions but not others. I have noticed that often people mix the old and new pronouns as well, not just in the Hail Mary.Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is wit thee; blessed art thou: The views and opinions expressed in these forums do not necessarily reflect those of Catholic Answers. Mary’s name had been added to the prayer sometime previously leaving Urban IV’s version of the prayer as “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.

Many scholars believe that the rosary began simply as a way for monks to keep track of the prayers they were saying. Blessed are you among women and Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. My brother and sister use it even though my mum and dad don’t, but I never made an issue of it (I wanted to though) because I thought that it’s probably the correct pronunciation and most people just don’t use it. The original prayer then likely read, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Yes, when I’m supposed to be praying I’m bracing myself to hear random “ST” sounds around the room after “among.”It is actually a corruption that came from a colloquialism out of the Midwest. The Hail Mary prayer forms the backbone of the rosary. You are with God. The earliest form of the Hail Mary prayer, created purely from the verses in Luke 1, was first recorded as being used by Pope Gregory the Great. For translations from the Latin into various languages, see In this prayer, a leader starts the prayer and everyone else says the rest:There are two different versions of the Hail Mary in The second version was created in 1656, as part of changes to When praying the Rosary, Catholics pray ten sets of Hail Marys. Many people have written music for the Hail Mary (also called the One of the most famous musical versions of the prayer was created by Other famous musical versions of the Hail Mary were written by: Contemporary English Version The angel greeted Mary and said, "You are truly blessed! The Lord is with thee. Amen. ♥ Mary, Queen of Heaven ♥ Categories Children's Prayers, Mary - Blessed Virgin, Traditional Prayers Tags Blessed Virgin Mary, Hail Mary, Prayer. It doesn’t seem to be totally conscious vocal prayer, and it certainly isn’t silent prayer.Another place I have a difficult time is in making the sign of the cross at a meal prayer. In the Infancy Gospel of Matthew, Mary is one of several virgins leaving the Temple and joining Joseph’s house based on a sign given in the Temple. Some of the variation to the prayer could be from the use of different translators as no version of the Hail Mary prayer began in English. In ... God-bearing Virgin, rejoice, grace-filled Mary, the Lord with thee.

It was antecedently probable that the striking words of the Angel's salutation would be adopted by the faithful as soon as personal devotion to the Mother of God manifested itself in the Church. This is because the Catholic and Anglican Churches have some different beliefs. :rotfl:Thanks for sortin me out and as I laughed, Alan…few indeed can!I am exactly the same on the first point Alan! Praised thou among women, and praised the fruit of thy womb, because it was the Saviour of our souls that thou borest. This was in part because the decision on whether Mary was regarded as Christ-bearer or God-bearer would determine whether Christian doctrine recognized a distinction between Christ’s human and divine natures or held that they were the same. While the difference may seem like splitting hairs today, it was a source of strife in the church. [quote=Flopfoot]I am exactly the same on the first point Alan! The Hail Mary prayer has evolved several times over the course of history, but there are still variations of the prayer today. Yes, when I’m supposed to be praying I’m bracing myself to hear random “ST” sounds around the room after “among.”Second, I swear Mary must have a womb named Jesus by the way I hear them say, “blessed is the fruit of THY WOMB JESUS.”Gosh, if they’d actually observe the comma and say, “blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus,” as if Jesus was the fruit and not the NAME of the womb, it’s be more convincing that the words they utter actually mean anything.Perhaps for meditative prayer the meanings of the words themselves are unimportant. When I grew up, my family mostly made quick pointy motions and my mom said, “Fa, suh, ho speartamen” and so with my family I still feel awkward actually saying out longhand or something, “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” It seems, compared to my upbringing, to be an endless thing to say – funny five seconds can feel like an hour when I am embarrassed.I hate embarrassment. [quote=AlanFromWichita]Thank you for the information. and in praying the Hail Mary hearing the ST part probably correct ‘among’ to the incorrect ‘amongst’ and so it starts to catch on. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. All the evidence suggests that it took its rise from certain versicles and responsories occurring in the Little Office or Cursus of the Blessed Virgin which just at that time was coming into favour among the monastic orders. - And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women (see Judges 5:24).The words which clothed the thoughts in these ecstatic expressions of intense joy and thankfulness on the part of the two favored women, Mary and Elisabeth, are in great measure drawn from hymn and song contained in the Old Testament Scriptures. One of these events is how Mary came to be with Joseph. Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you. Newer version: Hail Mary, full of grace. If not, would anybody please consider doing so?First, is this “amongst” women. By the wisdom granted you by the Son; Hail Mary, full of grace. The Hail Mary (Latin: Ave Maria) ... and "Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.

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